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We join Japanese American former incarcerees and their families on their pilgrimage back to a WWII incarceration camp in Wyoming.
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When I moved to California three years ago, I remember noticing how often the incarceration of Japanese Americans during World War II would come up. 

I learned that the woman who lived in our house before us, who'd raised her family there and had since passed away, was sent to a Wyoming incarceration camp as a teenager. It came up when I was talking to someone about housing prices in San Jose, and they casually mentioned how much the city was changed by the forced relocation of the Japanese American community. I was on a highway in the Bay Area in 2017 listening to the podcast More Perfect about Fred Korematsu's Supreme Court challenge to Franklin Roosevelt's executive order, and I looked at the hills around me and realized Fred was moving through those same hills as that story was unfolding. 

For this week's episode, we went to the other side of that history, to one of the places where Japanese American families were sent. There's an annual pilgrimage to Heart Mountain, the site outside of Cody, Wyoming, where more than 14,000 people of Japanese ancestry were sent to live during World War II. Not much of what was there back then is still present. The rows of hastily constructed wooden barracks are long gone, save for one that was recently restored at the site, where there's also a museum and memorial. But it was an honor to walk around and listen to the stories of what people remembered about that place, and to hear how what their children and grandchildren are making of this American history. 

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This Week on Death, Sex & Money

The Heart Mountain Pilgrimage⁠ is an annual reunion for the families of Japanese Americans who were incarcerated at Heart Mountain, in Wyoming, during World War II. The people who were imprisoned there during the 1940s and are still living now are mostly in their 80s and 90s⁠, and were young children and teens during their time at Heart Mountain. "It sounds idiotic, but as a kid, there was no fear," former incarceree Shig Yabu told me. "We didn't think about all the barbed wires. We wanted excitement." 

Over the summer, Anna went to the pilgrimage to talk with some of those survivors, and with some of their descendants⁠—as they connected facts to their parents' memories, and talked about the anger they feel on their parents' behalf. Listen in your podcast feed now. 

Your Stories: Reactions to Cheating
You all had FEELINGS about our cheating episode. Whether it was your first time hearing it, or if you'd listened the first time we released it in 2015—we heard from a lot of you afterward, who had both cheated and been cheated on.
"A few days ago, I re-listened to your episode on cheating and then last night I found myself laying under a married man in a hotel room in a foreign country. He fell asleep almost instantly after he finished, like he always does, and at one point, through sleep, said, “Am I crushing you?” and I don’t know what came over me, but I answered him honestly “Yes – but don't move, I like it when you’re close to me.” I’m never that honest with him – I don’t think it’s fair for either of us to get attached to the other one when I know he has a wife and a son thousands of miles away and he knows I’m the sort of person who doesn’t mind. We didn’t have sex this morning – and we usually do – so now I wonder if I scared him off. Like that moment of honesty somehow broke the spell that lets us be so close to each other without ever talking about anything.  
 
I like a lot of things about this particular man.... But the thing I like most about him is how, from the first unexpected night in Las Vegas more than a year ago, he's so affectionate and cuddly. We sleep with our arms and legs tangled up, with his breath on my face – like we’re deeply in love. His skin on my skin scratches an itch no other man recently has.  
 
...Is he this way with his wife? I want to ask – but I’m scared it will burst the bubble that lets us exist enmeshed in hotel rooms around the world. I don't want him to get self conscious - I realize he maybe doesn't know other men roll away, give me their back, steal the covers. 

All of that is to say that your episode on cheating made me realize that people cheat for all kinds of reasons and that they're often unspoken. For me, when a forbidden relationship ends, it doesn't make me feel rejected because it was always a given that it would. It's safer than being with a man who could break my heart."

 
—Stella, 38, Queens, NY
"I have been in a sexless marriage for several years and it is difficult. My wife finds that intercourse is painful and it is not possible for her to make it satisfying. I have, therefore, been thinking that I would like to have a sexual fling, just for the fun of it.

I have a different perspective now that I've listened to this episode; the betrayal part. I love my wife. I won't betray her. I am nearly 70. Maybe I will just think of sex as something I did when I was young and and now I don't."

 
—John, 68, Boston, MA
"I listened to this episode and Crystal’s story had me HEATED!  She is a better person than I because I would have left that man ASAP. I’m saying this as someone who has been cheated on multiple times by various partners and I stayed. I refuse to stay now because I feel like cheating is disrespectful. Unless there is an agreement between both parties to stray outside of the relationship, cheating is unnecessary. If you feel like cheating, then just leave and be free to sleep with whomever you want. Otherwise, you’re just selfish."
 
—Janet, New York
 

Listen to This: Audio We Love

We all already knew Jamie Lee Curtis is great, but this interview with Rachel Syme on the New Yorker Radio Hour gave us even more reasons to think so. She talks about being "cute" versus "pretty" in Hollywood, admits that having famous parents helped her land her star-making role in Halloween, and reflects on what 20 years in recovery has taught her about trauma. “Hurt people hurt people. Hurt people seek relief.” And we're totally here for this bit of movie trivia: Jamie Lee Curtis doesn't actually like horror movies! When she was working on the movie My Girl, the makeup artist who also worked on Silence of the Lambs gave her a cheat sheet to take into the theater so she knew exactly when to cover her eyes and ears to miss the scariest Hannibal Lecter moments.

And as holiday travel looms, we're looking for bingeable, utterly absorbing stories to get us through TSA lines and highway traffic. Luckily, we found The Thing About Pam, a six-episode series from NBC's Dateline that starts as a typical true crime murder story, and quickly morphs into something much, much stranger. From unlikely suspects to reopened cold cases to Dateline producers getting wrapped up into the drama, this one will keep your ears occupied while you're in transit! 

Next on Death, Sex & Money

Liz Phair has always been frank in her music. When she was 26, her debut album Exile in Guyville was up front about sex and relationships. But when it came to writing her memoir Horror Stories, it wasn't as easy. In our next episode, Liz talks with Anna about growing up and away from the public eye; the affair that she's still punishing herself over; and making art now that she's in her 50s. 

We're still working on our race and friendship episode, and you know who we're still hoping to hear more from?

(Specifically white men!)
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