In today's episode, musician Beverly Glenn-Copeland on reaching new audiences in his 70s.
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I interviewed Beverly Glenn-Copeland, the guest on our episode this week, on a Friday before the holidays. It had been a long week, one where the claustrophobia and uncertainty of our time had felt particularly grueling. I ended our conversation feeling lighter and so much more hopeful. It reminded me of the way music buoys me like a raft, where I still notice the tumult around and underneath me, but I'm able to ride it instead of feeling drowned by it.

The next day, a Saturday, I somehow stole an hour away from home to go on a hike. Driving home, I fired up this song of Glenn’s, a live performance of "Deep River", and as I looped through the Oakland hills overlooking the bay, it felt like solo church in my Subaru Outback. Tears just rolled down my cheeks.

I hope you enjoy getting to know Glenn and his wild professional journey from classical conservatory to children’s television to playing in a band with a bunch of 20-year-olds in his 70s.

Speaking of music, if you haven’t dug into Song Exploder lately, let me also recommend that. Between the Yusef/Cat Stevens episode on the podcast and the REM and Nine Inch Nails episodes on the Netflix series, my teenage self is really feeling fed. And you know, when our teenage selves are satiated, things are usually much better!

—Anna and the Death, Sex & Money team
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Musician Beverly Glenn-Copeland, an older black man with a short grey afro, wearing a light blue denim jacked, a dark blue button up, a brown belt, and green pants, leans against a grey wall as he calmly looks into the camera.
All month long, we've been sharing stories from listeners and guests about life over 60. And today, we're bringing you a conversation with 76-year-old musician Beverly Glenn-Copeland, whose professional career was skyrocketing at the start of 2020. After decades of quietly releasing music, he was set to go on an international tour, and he and his wife had just made plans to move into their new dream home. But then the pandemic hit, and everything was up in the air.

But navigating big changes isn't unfamiliar to Glenn. After college, he walked away from a classical singing career to create the experimental music he's finally being recognized for today. “The great thing about youth is that it isn't afraid of anything," Glenn told me about that time in his life, adding, "and the difficulty about youth is that it has no idea what it should be afraid of." Glenn is also trans, and came out as an adult—first to family and friends, and then publicly. Hear him reflect on his complex relationship with his parents, finding new audiences later in life, and how he relates to his younger generations of fans and bandmates in your feeds now.

Your Stories: Dating In A Pandemic
Last week, we asked for those of you who are single and trying to date right now to share your stories with us. Keep sending them in! Here's one email we got from a listener named Tara, who took part in our call-in at the start of the pandemic last spring:
"Here I am, single as FUCK almost a year into the pandemic. I was married, and after a traumatic divorce ended in an affair, I've really been trying to BE OK with being single. Most of the time I've loved it. I eat a lot of nachos for dinner and nobody judges me. 
But the reality of being single has had me on my knees this year, more than ever. Working from home and being single has been heartbreaking. Sometimes I feel like I just walk in circles. I went back with an old love in June. Well, guess WHAT? The problems we had six months ago were still there. He was still on the fence about having a baby, he was STILL not legally divorced, and we were not moving forward. I do not regret it, but I also know I would not have gone back if I hadn't been so lonely. 
I work in public health and I'm exhausted. I had a miscarriage in March at the start of the pandemic. I'm in the process of knocking myself up via sperm donor. Miscarrying alone in my house broke my heart in a way that I didn't know possible. 
My three year old neighbor and I left treats on each other's porches this summer. My other neighbor mowed my grass just because one day.  My best friend dropped off HOMEMADE chocolate croissants. Last week my best friend sent me a puzzle, just because. I am so fucking loved, but I'm longing for a partner so bad. To just see me, love me, even the rough edges. Honestly I just want someone besides Uber Eats to make me fucking dinner."

—Tara, 34, Durham, NC
We’re still collecting stories about what it’s like to be single and looking during COVID. If you're dating right now and would like to contribute, record a voice memo or write a note and send it to us at

Listen to This: Audio We Love

Now, you might feel surrounded by Fran Leibowitz content. Maybe you’ve already watched Pretend It's A City on Netflix and read the many related profiles and feel like you’ve had your fill. But let me urge you to listen to her interview on Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso. One moment that stands out is her description of the dinner conversation in Sweden when Toni Morrison was being awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature. And bonus: the Talk Easy team made *a vinyl record* of the interview so that Fran could listen, since she does not have a computer or cell phone. And you can buy one too!

Last fall, The Washington Post released Canary, a seven-part investigative series centered around the aftermath of Lauren Clark’s sexual assault in Washington, D.C. in 2013. In the first episode, reporter and host Amy Brittain introduces us to Lauren, who learned that her attacker—who later admitted to assaulting multiple women—never received treatment for his behavior. The episode is a powerful look into the ways Lauren sought justice outside the courtroom, and the many ways the criminal justice system fails survivors of sexual assault. Amy published a piece about Lauren in 2019, and just as she was moving on from this story, she got an email from another woman, implicating someone else in Lauren’s case—creating a bigger, much more complicated story.
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